Seriously, hats off to you for being able to be a mom, student/resident, and wife at the same time. I’m honored! Shame on you, doctor. Both nurses and physicians play a critical role in making sure the patients have best outcomes. !Kathryn Saxby. Everything is at a slower pace and I am able to actually take the time to study and digest the information I’m learning in class not just cramping because I have 31 credits a semester. You can bypass going through nursing school and then NP school.Furthermore, if you have interest in being a physician, PA training more closely resembles physician training, and you will have full lateral mobility after graduation. My friend asked a mind numbing question in return: " Why do you want to grow up?" There’s an MD shortage and yet, a large enough amount don’t get matched to a residency and end up down a different career path sometimes away from healthcare entirely… that sounds very problematic to me…. I am sure there will be days where I think “what if?”, but now that I am a nurse and I look back on my college career I never wish I would have gone a different route. I am not in favor of replacing MDs/DOs with NPs (as we are not interchangeable) and those who are turning us into RVU-generating economic units for short-term profit are victimizing us all. Your “1500 direct patient care hours” consist of volunteer work, pct work, and other experience applicants can make up to count as “direct patient care hours.” This is in Not a substitute for actual patient care that nurses do. I know that going in, I will never have that medical school background and I wish that I did…..and I know my limitations, believe me, not afraid to ask questions. This of course varies by practice, but PA/NP roles in medicine range from glorified errand boys and girls to mostly independent providers whose daily practice is analogous to a physician. It makes a difference in the quality of care and the perception the patient has of their care.I am not wreckless. Our "generalist" nurses training was during our RN program. DON’T get agitated “Ye all Doctors”. If they prefer an MD or they want me to be their family doc, that is their decision. I don't think the writer really meant to demean the nursing profession. I also had a plan. Nor should you… You consult with specialists. I bring this up because I feel that the background experience and knowledge gained in 'nursing' foundation of the Nurse Practitioner is often overlooked. The main point is this, MDs think nursing is nonacademic. You’ll have to give a lot more of yourself to become a doctor. We all need sometimes an extra pair of eyes or ears or hands to confirm our diagnoses. The patients I have started seeing are so relaxed that my stress level is down dramatically. An NP is a nurse practitioner. Carry on. You obviously have no idea what you’re talking about and it’s very clear in your “argument.”. And one other small point, from my limited experience, medical professionals dont get sued for making mistakes, they get sued because they made mistakes and pissed people off. This means having the respect of my nursing and medical colleagues who trust my judgement and clinical skills.I am advanced life support trained and after many years of experience will quiet happily step up and lead the code team. There is research on outcomes of care from ANP vs MD and it is found in family practice that is is the same or better. I commend all who are practicing medicine with kindness, compassion, dedication, and skill (as well as asking for help when cases are outside of your scope of practice). There are many doctors who did not have an abusive experience. In reality, NP’s manage a lot of the visits the docs don’t want to see or don’t have time to see. Interesting point of view. I know they say, it's never too late to get additional schooling, but at 59 is it too late for me to consider a Nurse Practitioner career? Turns out that it’s too expensive to ship exam tables and other heavy equipment to war zones. DOs have embraced holistic care in their formal education for a long time, and now many MD programs have this component as well. As a recent grad I've been exposed to Medical Students through a shared a semester site with about 15 students who rotated through. It’s a sign of lack of depth of education. Kudos. We are all in this together and so important that we work together—especially in light of the pandemic. If a midlevel education is sufficient for practicing medicine, then why in the world does anybody go through this process. Pamela: My first thought is NP right off the bat. the PA and NP model both require practice within guidelines. Capable can and should be measured in multiple ways. Although I can be a neurosurgeon if Ill go into residency training again. I’d love to see a conference where we all come together and diffuse this tension that has existed for way too long. No matter your special initials, we welcome you to this healing adventure so that you can practice medicine the way you always intended. “So, I would ask that you give a more even set of advice when someone comes to you with this question re what type of provider should I be.”. I live in California and am shortly starting my first job, and will be making $140 K a year in about 18 months, and I will be living in a low cost of living area (yes, they do exist in Calif). Currently, there are 22 states and the District of Columbia that allow for full and direct access to nurse practitioner care without statutorily required physician collaboration or supervision. Giga, thanks for commenting. I can also honestly say as I near the end of my training, I am confident I chose the right pathway. Again, Pro-NP does not mean anti-MD. I collaborate with three incredible physicians, we work in an underserved area at an FQHC and believe me we are all needed to run this ship! Not a physician, not a PA, not anything else. I’ll rename the two lists interests and disinterests. I’m sure it passes with time, though, and there are other things in life that are far more important. Some countries do, I think Australia does. Even though my temperament is definitely on the more sensitive and compassionate side, I can still take a lot–I have to in my job consistently. With him, it was like clockwork….clearly more practiced on those skills than the piddley 2 days of physical assessments that I got to practice in np school. The PA programs were based on the medical model rather than the nursing model. Look beyond the horizon of your life now to see who and what you absolutely cannot live without. I had hordes of people with no clinical background telling me how to take care of patients. Hands on, caring, listening and bringing the best to those who I serve. I don’t think so. I haven't met any PAs, but there is definitely something to be considered there. I feel I have the both of best worlds. When I worked in surgery, those residents were facing $250K in loans, and 5 years of clerkship - 3 as a resident, 2 as a fellow, and God help them if they wanted to sub-specialize - 15+ post-graduate years. That is completely wrong. A person’s degree doesn’t define your knowledge, skills, work ethics, professionalism. My greatest joy is helping all health professionals find their joy no matter what the “official degree.” We are all valuable. I will never forget that. NPs are not nurses who are taught some medicine. Could you run that Ultrasound machine yourself and interpret the results? Maybe we should support each other and the value each of us hold as members of a collaborative healthcare team instead of playing the who has the bigger stick game… Just a thought though. When I can help them, I do it without meds. That is, if one does not recognize the limitations of their knowledge in their practice, it is a disaster waiting to happen. We all come from different experiences and backgrounds. That should highlight who is better trained I would hope. The AMA has been a strong opponent of NP’s fighting prescriptive authority, insurance reimbursement and putting up a lot of barriers to practice. Secret recordings expose abuse of junior doctors, Physician Suicide 101: Secrets, Lies & Solutions, Female physicians told to sit down, shut up, and get out of the way during emergencies as patients nearly die, Is medical school just for rich kids? Can you still teach? There may be fewer and in between NPs or PAs out there who may be too lenient with antibiotics but that is because they have been trained by their “supervising” physician to do so. I have tasted food in 4 stars restaurants that tasted like Sh****t compare to the food cooked by some mothers in my hometown ( delicious) and vice versa………. After attending the Health Care Policy meeting in Washington, D.C a few weeks ago, it became painfully apparent to me that many legislators do not understand the difference between nurse practitioners, physician assistants and physicians. I am currently a post 4th year medical student, and I wish someone had given me that advice before I started down this road. While MDs do earn more $, they also work like dogs, in my experience. We all have something to contribute to the setting in which we practice to ultimately provide the best patient outcomes. time. Registered nurses carry out the orders of a doctor … I guess most of us here know about a medical practice model and how long it takes to become a physician. Just look at the curriculum. Thank you for this article. I work with great NPs everyday. 3) NPs do NOT get more time per patient - if the clinic says 20 minutes per patient, that applies to MD, PA, NP. The ANP training is based on the medical model. Being a PA is not the last stop you can make some $ save and take the bridge to become an MD. All of the NPs at the Nurse Practitioner Group are board certified. I have made good income, actually have not taken a “real” vacation since 2012, find this field challenging and interesting. Dr. Wible, I used to admire you. Someone brings out NPs order more tests vs. article showing same outcomes for MDs/NPs vs. compilation of mistakes NPs have made vs. the mistakes that MDs make. However, I think as a whole physicians are more adept at thinking beyond those algorithms and catching the finer details in care and building on the foundations they have. There was a particularly bad stretch where I was constantly taking verbal abuse and physical threats from patients who wanted narcotics. I think we all know the training isn’t even close to being comparable. All I wanted to do was help people and be the provider I wish I could find for myself. However, I am torn as to whether I should try to become a family physician or become a family nurse practitioner. Physicians are the master craftspeople of medicine. I'm a med student in Finland and the education is free. When I am not in my clinical role I am teaching. Being an NP may be the perfect choice for Ethan. So thank you all. First, I think your advice was genuine and fair. Too much time at computers and with charting, too impersonal. There have been times I have asked myself the same question… Was all this time, debt, strain on family, and exhaustion worth it? By the time someone gets a DNP I am sure they will have 1500 hours if not far more between ADN, BSN, MSN channels depending on the route taken. I thought her advice was very appropriate, not having heard the full conversation. I call knowing that a “gut instinct.” Sounds like you have listened to your “gut” in the past and made a great education and career choice to become an RN. The MD’s treat the nurses like they were treated in medical school. He just needed a little clarity and a sounding board, like we all do at times. The cost in dollars, time, mental health, physical health, and the lives of caregivers is the price that is being paid for being “well-trained”, not to mention selecting for and rewarding those that have a tendency towards being unfeeling zombies. NP’s are not recognized internationally. But my guess is every commenter on here knows what a medical diagnosis is, and significantly fewer know that there are nursing diagnoses too. The Consensus Model may strain the NP versatility as it continues to gain momentum. As an RN for 30 years, I realized early on that I was quite impatient with those who chose not to take care of themselves. “By the way, are you still seeing patients?”. I reached out to my boss, saying that the med quantities that the patients had been on before I inherited them were outside my comfort zone. Personal experiences are legitimate and provide insight into the laws governing NP practice in the state in which the NP lives. Dr Pamela is doing a great job. That is not arrogance, that is a fact. She is not looking down on any profession , but rather giving an honest opinion that many might not agree. I love seeing patients. It goes both ways. Thank your for all your great work and sharing raw truths. You are a hypocrite to the core of your existence. But then again, I may end up wanting to work in another capacity later in my career, such as hospital medicine or something else (you have many options in family medicine!). worked in restaurant, was drafted serve 2 years in US Army as a none citizen of any country became a citizen in 1959.After working in many different jobs getting my GED I used my GI bill and started College at night, by now I was married with one son. You are speaking so loudly in favor of supervision… I can tell you that collaboration is the correct term to be used. What are you talking about? There isn’t one right answer about the best degree for you. 1) “From my limited past knowledge of your work, I thought you helped other physicians fight burn out.” I don’t do this. Do you have a problem with my friend Christine Sagan NP practicing independently in Alaska? Most employers expect FNPs to hold a master’s degree. The remaining states all require an agreement with a supervising physician at minimum. I simply didn’t have the proper knowledge base to take the correct action. NP’s are not held to that same standard because they do not answer to the Medical Board. That was literally just based on him being an RN. In a full practice state, like Maryland, an NP can work independently and own their own practice. I stand wholeheartedly by my advice to Ethan. My thoughts: First, NPs do not practice medicine, we practice advanced practice nursing. In the end, where do you want to be? I was getting by but I felt like a complete failure all the time. First, from what I have read, you are already a phenomenal healer and I applaud your intellectual curiosity and desire to expand your knowledge and skill set. I think it is the same for many NPs and PAs. Then maybe you can gain some compassion, understanding and acceptance for people who are constantly championing for a greater good. Self knowledge is so important in this decision. In my particular situation the difficulty in time and financial strain would aggravate my wife’s condition much more than mine. I am a new NP and love this work. There is no difference in the work done between a primary care MD and an NP in full practice authority states. Please correct me if I’m wrong, I certainly understand the need of a hierarchy of knowledge and experience in the profession of medicine, but what I don’t understand is why a unified model of training (besides the fact that this would require a total change of the entire medical profession) can’t be designed, with increasing academic and clinical rigor, that would allow smart, capable, and experienced nurses to have the potential to progress to doctors, and simultaneously would require doctors to have more experience in patient care, which seems to be the most frequent complaint of unskilled or “arrogant” doctors. It’s very sad how this entire blog has so many generalizations about why MDs are better than NPs. It’s all good until someone you know and love is hurt by the “provider” who chose the cheaper and easier route to practicing medicine independently. I guess it’s just about knowing yourself and your strengths and abilities, what is best for YOU, knowing how to take reasonable risks (and for the right reasons) and knowing when to be humble and step back. ), but not the lifestyle I want at this point in my life (one of the reasons I left the business world). So is it too late for me just turned 59? Each one has something unique that I really like. A nurse practitioner is a registered nurse with a master’s degree (in most cases). Thanks, Pamela. My criticism was viewed a treason and offensive as well. While I do think that (obviously) MD’s have a greater depth of knowledge than NP’s, your examples are laughable. It is possible that you can also. But if you ask me if I would do this again, I am not sure I would. I hear some NPs say they hardly ever ask their supervising physician questions. The cost of med school in your country truly is staggering. We need all the providers we can get! I once heard an orthopedic surgeon recall some obscure fact he learned in med school that was relevant to what he was doing, and I thought that was pretty neat. I’ll also just leave this here: http://freakonomics.com/podcast/nurses-to-the-rescue/. You sound like Generals. I am in my last term in NP school and the way MDs treat NP students in clinicals is shameful. However in a search of “Nurse Practitioner vs Doctor” in google this shows up on the first page. I applaud him on knowing his limitations. BUT YOUR ALTERNATIVE, online certification, long distance learning, a quickie drive through approach frankly wont do for me or my family. And if we can’t help them, we refer to someone who can (bc we are taught in our little, insignificant NP curricula) to stay in our lane. I have employed PAs and work with murse practicioners. For every article you have that shows they are equal there are articles that show they aren’t. Indisputable fact. Or better yet, tell them what to do while the code is going on and they look like they are going to pass out at 3AM. we learn about steroids and codeine-and much more- in pathophysiology and pharmacology. I keep telling myself I will have more clarity once I reach that point, but in the meantime it is difficult not to think about it because I am such a planner! By all means do not use the word burnout!! But, PAs, with rare exception, are trained in medical schools, alongside medical students with preceptors that are often the same attendings as the medical students. I need the guidance of doctors like you in a similar field I am interested in. Nurse Practitioner vs Doctor: Filling an Urgent Need. Stand up for your patients. 6 - Even after the degree never stop learning. This will allow you to be fulfilled no matter what you choose. One of the huge challenges I see, and have for many decades, in the health care world is the lack of true collegiality, respect and teamwork. I didn’t find happiness (and Pamela can attest) until I quit corporate medicine and started my own practice. when I had an accident with a semi truck in winter, (he reared ended me going 55 and I was going 35 along with everybody else) he propelled me down a snowy icy embankment, it was terrifying, almost put me out of commission, I of course was taken to the ER and the Dr.s were pretty good considering what they were dealing with at the time. I would have expected more, much more from a fellow physician. There are others with similar mental health issues and goals as Ethan and they certainly should consider their options as Ethan has. Yes you do have more in school clinical training, but nurses already went to nursing school where they learned the foundation of their training, making extra clinical hours unnecessary. “Everyone has a bias with this topic. NP training is more based on the nursing model, which many consider inferior, and most NPs are confined to a career in primary care. Given the shortages of health professionals we should spend less time infighting and more time collaborating. Nurse practitioners often already have a lot of work experience, because they start out as regular nurses, and go on to get their advanced degrees at a later time. The saying still goes: the best patient care comes from caring for the patient. Therefore, stating that as long as they practice ethically and safely “within their scope of practice” is meaningless. It is still an honorable profession in my eyes. The first step, quitting, was easier than making a commitment to a physical space. That is so pathetic but then I think they don’t even care for their own residents so why would a patient be different. You have shown your true colors. Pam, no need to defend yourself from so many reactions of people either envious of the NP freedom or those preferentially MD with all the privilege and hiding places. I can be reached at brookebdo@gmail.com. However, most NPs have RN experience, so they have a lot of clinical hours under their belt. I do not envy them. As a new grad NP, my “supervising physician” was either on the beach in Florida or at home relaxing. There is no one way that is right for everyone. You guys fill a gap in healthcare and you guys do a great job, but specialists in medicine you are not. Happy to Be a Family *Doctor*. Thank you for this article. Also maybe MD primary care providers who are worried should look at themselves, and notice the crappy healers among them. In regards to equivalency, I am sure that most NPs do not believe they are ”equivalent” to MDs. One more thing… NPs are not immune to burnout because of the abusive healthcare system we all work in. Often DO or MD is the best choice. I greatly appreciate that you are thinking critically about your future training to best care for patients and balance your own well being as well. As for me I’ve been on the phone with many many parents who have lost their children (sometimes their only child) to suicide during medical school or residency or beyond. In regard to the whole malpractice insurance argument…. My comments will be aimed at whether to become a NP, PA, or MD, so please don't think I am not critical of other aspects or professional behaviors of health care.The difference is not only what financial resources you are willing to commit to a profession, but how you will feel when working in the settings that are available. We were never meant to take the place of doctors. I can assure anyone, there is none. I agree that NP training needs more work. Secrets to loving your life in healthcare. Good luck, and whatever route you choose, just remember we all work on the same team and the patient comes first. I would suggest you network with mid-levels in a variety of services so you have a clear idea about the various types of practices in which you could get the experience and fulfillment you will require. There are multiple other examples like this. An MD is a doctor of medicine. This attitude of “This is what I was taught in my training and is therefore how I practice. I don't know the origin of the term. I make my own hours, my fees and assist others in their path to health. They are allowed to practice procedures they were never even taught in school. If for some reason it is not satisfying, a person can do a bridge program from DNP to MD in the future. The other thing that I felt was do different was our bedside manner. I must say that this particular issue brought me to this page. I already had about $60k of undergrad debt and I was looking at acquiring at least $200k more, and deferring both debts for a residency. And NP’s in Family Medicine do not equate to Family Practice physicians. Your lack of respect and support for your fellow physicians is appalling. How did your comments to Ethan hurt any one of them?? Our health finance paradigm needs to change, so I’ve made a new one: http://www.changehealth.today. While this conversation looks seemingly generalized, it appears to be mostly targeted towards one party (Ethan). I almost didn’t publish this because I thought nobody much would read it. The education focuses on holism (mind, body, spirit, emotion) and all advanced practice nursing theories focus on the core tenants of the the nursing metaparadigm (Nurse, patient, environment, health). Also, Dr. Agarwal, would it be ok if I got your email address, in case I have any future questions? That is probably a large factor in terms of premiums. I wish you all well. They do not receive standard surgical training in school.-Consider very seriously the level of debt you will have. Then you have at least 6-8 or more years of school (assuming the RN has a bachelor’s degree and not an associate degree. It is learned in the real world, providing excellent patient care while working with all members of the healthcare team. Everyone has a place in a healthy medical model, but ours is broken and this is a great example of why it is. She is giving them great care as an independent NP. I’m 42 with PTSD, in debt, and my wife also has general anxiety disorder. The FACT is, NP’s are not educated or experienced to even close the extent of MD/DO. I am glad I did it that way. But you advocating for this change does not make your other comments any less egregious. Physician suicide is a tragic problem, thank you for your work and God bless. I'm perfectly okay being treated by a mid-level for a number of conditions that I might have, and I'm fine taking my kids to one as well, but we are all healthy people. Your lives will have been a mere flash in the span of a 14.5 billion-year-old universe. I am a BSN holder but started from being RN from diploma, practiced few years before obtaining my Masters degree in Nursing. However, I am torn as to whether I should try to become a family physician or become a family nurse practitioner. If I had been an ER nurse or ICU nurse for a dozen years...maybe I could have done it. Education is NOT the same, the foundation is NOT the same. Your email address will not be published. It’s a ton of work but my quality of life (and patient care) is better than ever. Good luck! I think our education leaves us grossly unequipped for this type of care and I fully agree with the enraged physicians above who feel it is unsafe and inappropriate for new grad NP's to be in these types of jobs. Their remark on how the nurses in US are much better than the doctors in Philippines are downright derogatory Side note for those who don’t like NPs practicing independently: My only incentive is helping individuals who reach out to me and honestly answering their concerns via emails and phone calls I answer—for free. Just email me via my website contatc page. Nobody has all the answers. It really doesn’t bother me not to be 100% autonomous. None of my physicians have looked over my shoulders to “supervise” me but they were available for my questions and I greatly appreciated so. Thank you so much for this wonderful passage. To the poster here it always annoys me when these nurse practitioners go into a pissing contest vs physicians....I have to be honest, if one of my kids was that sick I'd want a board certified MD in Onc at the helm of the care....not a nurse practitioner. Hmm, but the fact is that their rates are much lower because we are sued much less due to many factors including our more limited scope of practice (which I am very clear what it is thank you very much). Now, I watch as PA's and NP have been at the hospital intensive care and primary clinic care. I appreciate everything you do however I disagree with this article. Egos have no place in the practice of medicine. The research you reference is actually SUPERVISED NPs in primary care vs physicians. You have the basics and more already, so I think the question is why do you want to do any of these? Healthcare is collaborative, and the best docs I’ve worked with had respect for all members of the team. Enjoy it while you can. Most nurses have more medical experience in general than PA’s, who can have a degree in basket weaving prior to applying to PA school (nothing against basket weavers). You may have seven years’ experience as a nurse, but there is nothing stopping a fresh graduate from doing on line courses and hanging out a shingle and you want me to send my family to see that provider with the confidence that he/she has the requisite chops? is better than the best NP? It's going to suck and be absolutely amazing at the same time either way! But what should I do? Thank you for your kind correction. Time. To wit: 1 - Money will not make you happy, because the more you make the more you want. I am a junior in High school. historically NPs are sued less often with lower average pay outs. No matter what path I take in my education the PA, and NP that were competent as my primary care practitioners, and the good MD’s I’ve had care for me are who I would want to be like in my future second career. It really is about the individual and their internal environment. 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